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  • So, nearly a year ago, you made a lot of edits on Kirito's article. Due to lack of time, I've only managed to finish reviewing those changes today. If you'd like to see the results, see [1] here. Not sure how much this is relevant for you after a year, but I hope that it'll be of use to you in determining how much content you should cover.

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    • ...I see. That is quite a lot. Though, if you'll forgive my quibbling, you might have removed one detail from the Progressive chronology section than might have been absolutely necessary; of course, you're the admin/moderator, so I won't raise too much of a fuss over it. When I finally resume my work on the Progressive Arc articles/sections, I'll try and reintegrate it along with some minor expansion while keeping it in line with the main flow of the story and trying to match it with Asuna's chronology.

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    • That is quite a lot

      That's why I asked you to slow down. A lot of the issues there were repeated time and time again because you never waited for corrections the first time.

      you might have removed one detail from the Progressive chronology section than might have been absolutely necessary

      Not sure what you have in mind, but if I removed it, it means you didn't really make it sound important by burrying it in unimportant details. Which is why I am asking you to be concise and avoid covering minor stuff that has no real importance to the big picture.

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  • For a while now, I've seen you referring to the infobox debut parameters as "appearance". This is kinda confusing, because "appearance" usually refers to the actual appearance/description section that is present on most articles, rather than an infobox parameter for when a certain character/location first appears in the franchise. The infobox parameters are better referred to as "debut" or at least "first appearance" to avoid being ambiguous.

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    • Right, sorry about that. I'll try to clarify when I'm describing debut or appearance on subsequent edits, though sheer force of habit might make this confusion continue a little longer.

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  • hey just to let you know that there are a couple of monsters that are presented in the ordinal scales okay.

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    • ...You're kidding. That title goes to Dim1, though technically Gsimenas holds the majority of power by virtue of being the most active user on the wiki. If I was an admin, it'd say so on my profile page.

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    • ok I'll go ask him

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  • For future reference, if you reupload files in a different format, please mark the old ones for deletion with the {{delete}} template so that moderators could remove the no longer needed files from the wiki.

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  • I'm going to be busy with exams throughout June, thus I would appreciate it if you'd refrain from excessively large edits during this time (as this and this is what my to-do list looks like ever since my last exam session; I have yet to catch up on stuff from way back in November for the entire half a year since then). Your latest batch of edits were surprisingly not hard to review, thus I hope you can continue to find similar work (or if you want to do summaries, please tone it down - don't write 5 paragraphs every 24 hours, especially when those 5 paragraphs could just as easily be covered in 2 or so paragraphs) for the next few weeks to allow me to focus on my exams. Thank you for your understanding.

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    • (blinks slowly)...That much over two consecutive days is still going overboard? Bother, I was hoping I was finally getting my summaries under control. I had been working on adding two small paragraphs to Dark Repulser's chronology before I got this message, but looks like I'll have to restrict my contribution to just the references/dates/links and leave the chronology expansion for next time. Sorry about that.

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    • Two paragraphs every few days is fine. Two paragraphs every day when I have exams is pushing it. I haven't yet reviewed them, so I can't (yet) say anything about how concise they are, but I definitely won't have the kind of free time to go through two paragraphs each day until Friday. Especially if they start piling up.

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  • After 5 months, I finally had a long enough break from your daily edits to go through some of your older stuff and finished editinf Nezha's article. However, I've noticed that a large chunk of your chronology was basically a retelling of his background story, which should have been covered under a background section instead to both avoid unnecessary dialogue narration and to make it easier to find the back story for people who don't want to read the entire chronology section just to find it. As such, I commented the chunk out instead of removing it entirely - you can still access it through the editor if you wish to rework it into the correct section.

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    • I see. I had forgotten about my work on Nezha's page. Sorry about cramming the backstory into the main chronology; I didn't think about that until looking over Kyouji's article. I'll work on Nezha's background once I've finished with completing the expansion for Progressive Volume 2.

      Also, sorry about delaying your review of my old edits for some time now; as I've said before, I want to make significant progress with my editing, not just make little changes like a link here or a grammar correction there or an additional word in-between. Of course, I've seemed to have developed a habit of rambling, and I've become a bit tired over how long my progress is taking more than I expected compared to how much still needs to be done with the rest of the wiki, so I apparently tend to frequently cram more into my edits. When I started work on PV2, I figured I would be done with it in a month; seeing how things are now and due to various circumstances in my life, it's clearly still in progress. :| And it doesn't help that I often take breaks from it to upload images or work on video game chronologies for the Hollow Realization characters. Hopefully I'll finally be finished with it by the end of this month. Again, I apologize for overloading your work.

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    • Making significant progress is all well and good. Making a significant unnecessary workload is another thing. It's fine when you write a summary, but it's not so fine when you write a retelling and I have to spend an hour or more thinking of how I could actually summarise it. That's one of the reasons why I asked you to limit your contributions per day - to encourage you to spend less time on quantity and instead focus more on the quality. After all, by spending more time considering what's actually important, you could cover more with less, thus making the same or even more progress than by just retelling everything without any limitations (and you'd be making it easier for me to review the content to boot).

      From what I've seen on the Nezha page, that's the biggest issue with your edits. Your style is more or less fine, I don't find much of any grammar errors (I do find some ambiguities and stuff from time to time, but that's nothing out of the ordinary). However, you do have an issue with how much detail you're describing.

      Some simple rules of thumb:

      1. If you can remove something and there's no change to the big picture (i.e. with or without it, everything else makes enough sense and there's enough context and transition between each event), then it's likely not all that important. If it's something you REALLY think is important or really interesting, keep it as concise as possible.
      2. Other characters should only be mentioned as much as you need them for context. Any further details should be reserved for more relevant pages.
      3. If a single sentence is the size of half or more of the paragraph, it's probably too long. Same goes for more than ~3 clauses per sentence.
      4. If a paragraph looks awfully big compared to the others, it should either be split, if there's a good place to do it, or shortened.

      These are some of the rules of thumb I used during my recent reviews.

      P.S. I haven't touched your PV2 summaries, since Haffen promised to go through them first to reduce my workload, but for the record, the page is currently at 78,825 bytes in size (it's the third largest article on the wiki at the moment), while the next largest volume article (v6) is 46,061 bytes in size... so your summary is about twice the size of the norm and you're not even done yet.

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      I haven't touched your PV2 summaries, since Haffen promised to go through them first to reduce my workload, but for the record, the page is currently at 78,825 bytes in size (it's the third largest article on the wiki at the moment), while the next largest volume article (v6) is 46,061 bytes in size... so your summary is about twice the size of the norm and you're not even done yet.

      .........

      ...Oh.

      I figured my work on that page would place it among the biggest articles of this wiki, but I didn't really anticipate it would place that high. (Not to mention you guys still haven't from my point of view finished completely reviewing my revamp/cleanup of V6...) I really do suppose I need to start toning down my level of detail, then. I believe that started when I had just joined the wiki and saw the relative sparseness of several of the summaries/descriptions; I might have subconsciencely vowed to be more detailed and inclusice if and when I edited them, as well as any other page I worked on. As you can probably tell over time, that got out of hand somewhere down the line. However, I'm afraid that habit might have set in a bit deeply for me, so don't surprised if it persists for a little longer. Plus, it's slightly hard to visualize what's too excessively described and what's not; you have complained of the amount of work I've placed on Kirito's page, but most of what I can see is how much more detail I still can and need to fit on there, albeit with much reduced detail than from what I've been doing lately. I'll try working on reducing the amount of description, but it'll probably not be all that noticable until after I've finished with PV2.

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  • I've noticed that you've uploaded an image of Strea's avatar, but categorised it as a Hollow Realization image, despite stating that the image actually came from Dengeki Online. Source categories indicate where an image came from, not what the content of the image is for. If you take an image from an official site, you categorise it as an official site image (unless the image is a screenshot that actually came from a game, in which case it's debatable; character designs, however, usually aren't screenshots from the game itself). So, please categorise your images properly next time.

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    • (winces hard) Sorry about that. It's just that it's been a while since I've uploaded images that hadn't already been added sometime beforehand by another, and a few details apparently slipped my mind. As you can probably tell from my contribution history, practically all the images I've uploaded to the wiki were taken from the games, and I've seemed to have developed a bit of a habit of categorizing them as such automatically. I'll try to control that next time. (Why is it that I seem to get into trouble every month?)

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  • To avoid spamming another guy with notifications about our off topic conversation, I thought we should move the conversation elsewhere.

    I'd thought you'd finished your studies/exams

    I finished my exams, yes. But the new semester has just begun.

    so you'd have more time to review my contributions

    Yes, I had some more time the past two weeks, but even with all the time in the world, I can't go through 6,5 k bytes of content per day without going crazy. Already tried with Kibaou (technically, his article had about 8k of content, but I couldn't even get past the 6.5 mark in one day). And that was when I actually had the whole day to myself - now that my studies are back up, I'll only be home in the evening and will have to study, so my time will be rather limited (though not as limited as during my exams, so I actually can make some edits). Not to mention that reviewing your edits isn't the only thing that I want to do in my free time. I want to work on some of my own projects, both on the wiki (new article creation) and translations of SAO stuff.

    That's specifically why I ask you not to overfocus on summaries. Yes, we do need someone to do them, but they don't have to be done in a day. Personally, I prefer quality to quantity.

    There are plenty of other stuff that also need to be done on the wiki that would require far less of my time to review, so it would be great if you mixed in some of such edits in-between your summary sprees so that I could actually keep up with you. I still haven't been able to review some of the large-scale edits you made way back in December... and it's already February...

    Plus I'd remembered ZeHaffen saying he'd do a quick look over my edits before you, so as to save you some work.

    ZeHaffen is working on even more projects than I am. I highly doubt that he can both keep up with your pace and review your edits to an extent where my workload would decrease significantly enough if you make edits like this one on a daily basis.

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    • Yikes, that harsh a penalty for so much as being off by one letter or number? That's triple incentive for me to triple-check my referencing work; last thing I want is to get on the bad side of a top-notch dedicated admin when it could have been avoidable.

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    • No, I don't ban people for making a simple typo. Not even sure how you can make a factual error by mistaking a letter, though it is easier to do so with numbers. Either way, I do take the context into account: if you add something and make a typo it's one thing, but when you take something perfectly accurate and replace it with something completely false for no reason... that's vandalism of the highest order.

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  • Please refrain from making gigantic paragraphs. The size of a single paragraph should be small enough so that an accompanying illustration would be about the same size as the paragraph that it is illustrating. This way, the illustrations look more aesthetic and the paragraphs themselves are less of an eyesore. Please consider splitting a paragraph in half (find a decent enough breaking point for it) if it gets too long.

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    • Sorry, I was just concerned about making the paragraphs too small. I'll see what I can do about limiting the paragraph size, though the habit may be hard to break, and it'll be difficult to use an illustration as a rough rule of thumb as its size may vary, e.g. light novel illustration vs. anime/video game screenshot.

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    • Generally, you should think of anime screenshots. Light novel illustrations are rare and are usually replaced with anime screenshots where possible (except for instances where this is illogical, of course) for uniformity. If that's too vague for you, then at least try to keep all the paragraphs around the same size. If you have one paragraph that is as big as three others, it should be a clue that it's too big.

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  • Hey Wikiwalker, I've got a suggestion for you if you're up for it. Since I'm sure you're tired of getting messages from Gsi about the quantity of edits you make, I thought of a way to allow you to continue what you're doing while reducing Gsi's workload (and thus the number of complaints from him lol):

    I'm not sure how far you are in the light novels, but I was thinking that you could, instead of doing character chronologies, work on updating/adding summaries for the light novels. This would be better for Gsi in that I can do a bit more with those before he gets to them, thus reducing his workload, and it would be better for users as the light novel summaries are far more commonly used/requested.

    I also know that you've done volume summaries in the past so it's something you're at least somewhat familiar with. I think this is a win-win-win: you can continue to work on the wiki just like you have been, Gsi has less work to do, and the most requested portion of the wiki gets updated. What do you think, is this something you'd be willing to do?

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    • Actually, I was planning on immediately starting work on the Progressive Volumes after finishing with the character Progressive chronologies for PV 2 and 3. I suppose I could begin on the light novel summaries a bit prematurely than I had originally intended, but I would like to at least finish Kiabou's PV2 chronology before then. One thing, though: are you sure this will ease up Gsimenas' workload? The last time I discussed the matter with him, he mentioned and lightly complained on cross-referencing/checking the sheer amount of content I uploaded, correcting style, etc. So how exactly will his reviewing of my revamp/cleanup of the light novel summaries be different from doing the same on the character chronologies?

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    • I don't think Gsi will mind too much if you finish up one final chronology before moving on to LN summaries.

      As for your question, that's because things like cross-referencing, fact checking, and style corrections are all things that I can do before Gsi takes a look at them. I'm sure I won't be able to make everything perfect for him, but it'll certainly lessen his workload as it'll take less time to finish once he gets around to it. Doing the same for character chronologies is a bit more difficult though, as those are far more delicate in terms of ensuring accuracy, far more opinion-based in terms of stylistic choices, and sometimes more difficult to reference. Having someone like myself run through a light novel summary (something I know Gsi trusts me with doing) prior to him getting to it will help to reduce the amount of changes he has to make when he finally gets around to doing his cleanup.

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    • Got it. I'll start on the Progressive light novels as soon as I finish PV2 chronologies for Kibaou, Argo, and Agil. Also, sorry about the delay in replying. I was in the middle of adding/correcting references for the Sword Skill page.

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    • Sounds great, thanks! And no worries about any delay, I assumed you were busy with something else lol.

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