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  • As you may recall, several days ago, I specifically told you that I was on vacation. This meant that I didn't really have the time or motivation to go through large edits on a daily basis. But instead of realising the implication, you decided to spam even more edits during my week off, increasing my backlog even further. On the other hand, several other users, who have been more considerate and withheld from editing while I was unavailable, have complained that because I'm always busy with your edits, I never manage to get to theirs, meaning that they never get the chance to make their own edits, as they don't want to overburden me. As this trend is absolutely unfair from their perspective, I have decided to be far less lenient with your edits to save time. From now on, if I see any major issues with your content, I'll either just mark the issues and have you fix them yourself, or remove the content entirely until you rework it properly. Until you fix the issues with your previous edits, you may not make new edits.

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    • ...I see. I had hoped that commenting out most of my contributions would at least alleviate the immediate need to review them. Obviously, it's still insufficient. I'll do my best to get off your back for the time being (probably until mid- or late August).

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    • Commenting stuff out doesn't mean that my backlog is any less clogged up by it. And my backlog is already swamped as is. That is the issue. My backlog is so swamped with your edits that I can never get around to doing anything but your edits. That means other people barely ever get my attention and thus can't work on their own stuff properly. It would be one thing if your edits wouldn't require much changing, but that is not the case here. You frequently write too much about unimportant stuff and not enough about the important stuff, thus your edits almost always require a lot of changes. I have tried pushing your reviews back so that I could work on other stuff as well, but you never wait for me to get to your edits, so that only ends up in a lot of work piling up on my backlog. That's why I can't just ignore your edits just because you comment them out.

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  • Who exactly gave you permission to change the spelling of character names on the wiki? All naming changes must be cleared through me first and foremost before being executed, as I am the naming manager on the wiki. Changing any names without my authorisation is a gross violation of this wiki's guidelines and will get you in a load of trouble. You of all people should have known that very well by now, seeing as you've been on the wiki for this long. Consider this (a very serious) warning this time. I don't want to ever catch you doing that again.

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    • (winces) Oh, right, sorry about that. I got too carried away with making sure the captions matched with what was happening in the scenes that I failed to verify the names with the official naming list. It didn't occur to me that I would be breaching protocol, since I wasn't touching the actual character pages. Rest assured, it won't happen again.

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    • How exactly did you fail to "verify the names" when you had to know the spelling we use on the wiki to link all the characters... And you went out of your way to change the spelling with link captions....

      For the record, using non-standard name spelling is a significant issue on its own, but using spellings that have already been confirmed to be incorrect (e.g., Ronie instead of Ronye) is barely different from adding false information to the wiki... and you should already know just how strict I am with such transgressions...

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    • P.S. In-game names can only be used to refer to game avatars. Real world references can only use real names.

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    • You know, I'm not sure what exactly I was thinking myself. Normally I'm better at refraining from these breaches than this. Perhaps editing late at night may have had something to do with it. As for referring to Kirito by his in-game name in the real world...not sure how I missed that. Again, I don't intend to repeat this mistake.

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  • I've just finished reviewing Mizue's article and I figured I'd send you a more detailed commentary on your edit personally due to the limited nature of edit comments.

    1. Don't force add template-related categories. Categories like "Citations needed" or "Candidates for Revision" are automatically added to the page when the respective template is used and automatically removed when the respective template is removed. If you force the categories (i.e., manually add them to the page), other editors might miss this and not remove the categories even when the page has been improved/corrected/reviewed.
    2. Please add basic template parameters even if you won't be filling them yourself. If the parameters will have to be filled in by someone in the near future, it's best to leave some empty parameters on the page, since Source mode doesn't really show the parameters otherwise, which means that I had to go to the template page just to check how the parameters have to be named to add something that you surely should have known I would add. Basically, copy the whole infobox unto the page and only remove the parameters that you don't foresee to ever be used (e.g. game parameters on a non-player page)
    3. Your introduction for the page is kinda lacking. It should have some basic plot details to make it clear who the character is (and how she is relevant to the story). Of course, it shouldn't be a wall of text (unless the character is major and has a lot of general info that needs to be covered), but it should still give more than just the name and familial relationships. One extra sentence or so to make it clear that she's the girl whose mother Shino saved would be nice.
    4. Don't use -ing verbs where they're not appropriate. They imply that the action is ongoing, so when you use them to form complex sentences, you imply that one actions is happening at the same time as another. Thus, "Waiting in a private room at the back of the cafe, Mizue and Sachie entered the main room" doesn't really sound logical, since they can't both be waiting in the other room and entering the main room at the same time.
    5. Avoid overfocusing on other characters. They should only be mentioned as much as needed to understand what's going on and for transition. If half or more of the sentence focuses on other characters (especially if other characters are doing far more than the character the article is meant for)... it really feels off topic. Try to keep the focus on the character in question. That also goes for clause order.

    I guess that's about it for now. Hope you find this useful.

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    • I see. This'll be a lot to remember. Hopefully I won't forgot the more essential parts thereof if I ever manage to create another non-game trophy list article.

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  • Hey, sorry for bugging again. I've once again come to ask that you try streamlining your Gallery Editing process a little. I talked about this back in April, but it seemed like there was a miscommunication.

    For example, during the span of 3 days (25-27 June), you had to touch Kirigaya_Kazuto/Image_Gallery on 3 separate instances, where the same work could've been done in a single instance, which would invoke only a single edit in the Wikia log, making it easier to see, making it easier to compare, as well as making it easier for it to be reviewed.

    If you are not sure how to go with the process of streamlining these edits, I can recommend you to try a broader perspective. When you want to add pictures to individual galleries, go through all the images that need to be added. So, not thinking "Kirito Images from Hollow Realization", no "Images from Hollow Realization", but rather "Images that are available to be added from the entire Gameverse".

    Before moving forward and doing edits individually, make note of which pictures have a certain character in it. For example, all three of these images, that were added on separate instances have Kirito in them:

    File:Kirito and Asuna having a walk with Yui MT.png

    File:Lisbeth falling on top of Kirito after her Heroine Event HR DLC1.png

    File:Kirito keeping Sinon silent to stay hidden in dungeon HR.png

    After noting which pictures have Kirito, which pictures have Asuna, which pictures have Sinon, etc. in them, you can now shift into bulk editing, effectively adding all Kirito images to their respective galleries in a single edit, rather than spreading 5 pictures into 3 edits on 3 different days.

    Working effectively like this, not only puts less workload on your own shoulders, but more importantly, puts less work onto the shoulders of the one person going through the entire Wikia log.

    Thanks for the time it took you to go through my little novel here. Hope it helps you structure your work a little better, because it sure as hell will help Gsi during his exam period.

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    • Understood. I had meant to add Lisbeth's Heroine Event to Kirito's Image Gallery along with the rest of the relevant Hollow Realization images, but somehow missed it, and failed to realize it until I began adding to Lisbeth's Image Gallery, so I decided to wait until later to upload it so I wouldn't risk editing the article while a admin/moderator was reviewing my contribution/cleaning up the page. Also, I'm not all that fond of simultaneously editing multiple galleries on the same page, partially since it entails working in source editor or something like it, and I'd like see what changes I'm enacting while I'm doing them, rather than a boatload of coding that I have a hard time completely comprehending. Plus, I definitely don't remember uploading numerous images of the same character from different games/media to the wiki on the same day, so my experience with adding them to the galleries all at once is somewhat minimal. I'll take your advice on streamlining my edits into deeper consideration, but don't expect instant progress on that front.

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  • Please refrain from overusing nicknames when you need synonyms to refer to a character. Nicknames should only be used if they fit the context. Otherwise, you create unintended implications. For example, in your last Kirito edit, you said that the solo player lifted Ruru. So, he lifted her because he was tired of being single? When you're emphasising that he's solo in a situation like that, you're making it sound like he was trying to get a girlfriend... That's why you should be more careful with where you are using nicknames. Calling Kirito the black swordsman when he's in a fight is appropriate. Calling as The Flash when she's doing something fast is also more or less appropriate, since you are emphasising qualities that are actually relevant to the situation. But referring to Asuna as the "Berserk Healer" in a non-combat situation... is definitely going to give the wrong idea...

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    • I see. Sorry about that. As a writer, it's one of my personal rules to avoid repeating the same word or phrase so close to each other as much as possible, e.g. "Kirito promised....Asuna promised...Then Kirito declared...But Asuna declared...", etc. I suppose it stems from me taking to heart my English teachers' lessons on avoiding "said" whenever possible. Plus, I noticed the nicknames aren't used all that often on their owner's page, so as a result of all of the above, I tend to use characters' epithets and synonyms as much as I can.  But I can work with restricting titles to apporpiate contexts. By the way, aside from my most recent edit on Kirito's article, when was the last time I referred to a character by a synonym or nickname in a less-than-appropiate situation? Because so far I don't remember addressing Asuna as the Berserk Healer yet aside from my contribution summaries.

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    • I don't remember where I saw it, but I definitely remember at least one instance of you referring to Asuna as the Berserk Healer on an article... in the wrong context...

      There are plenty of ways get around repetitiveness without resorting to using nicknames.

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  • I would like to remind you that the Image Guideline has the following clause:

    "Repeated images or images that are too similar to already existing images (e.g. screenshots taken within several second of each other from the same footage) should be avoided, unless there is a very good reason to use such images. Please check Category:Images before uploading a new image."

    Two images that are barely different from each other are considered redundant image spam and should be avoided. Also, **check for existing images before uploading new ones**!!! One of the images you uploaded today was an exact duplicate of some old image that was already in use!

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    • Sorry about uploading the preexisting image. I had meant to upload it as a new verion of that picture, but I was still a little tired from the earlier assistance with my family, and so I ended up uploading it as an entirely new photo. Although, aren't those two images of teatime with Seven and Sinon from Lost Song also pretty close to each other? Still, I suppose there's a subtly less than significant difference I haven't recognized yet between the images I uploaded and the preexisting ones compared to between the aforementioned Lost Song images, so I won't press the issue.

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    • I'd also like to add to the thread that I will be uploading full quality pictures directly ripped from my screen with no loss of quality tonight, rather than through Playthroughs on Youtube that suffer a lot from the video compression on top of Youtube's own processing, so it'd be nice if you could hold off on uploading the Youtube versions, I'd be really glad. That way, it gives me less stuff to replace and edit individually and I can upload the missing ones with bulk actions, saving me no less than an hour in total.

      If you are curious about why I have replaced all the previous pictures as well, the reason is that:

      1) The screenshots through Youtube show clear signs of compression artifacts which are not good. Full quality picture with no loss is preferred, hence why I take them directly from the output of my Playstation 4 at 1080p with no video compression.

      2) The size of the images. To be clear, my 1080p versions were about the same size as the 720p ones that I replaced, if not smaller size. As for the 1080p versions I replaced with previous 1080p versions, the ones I uploaded were about half the size that I replaced, with better quality. Smaller sizes allow the Wikia to operate more seamlessly, especially on low bandwidth conditions. And better quality speaks for itself.

      Thanks.

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    • I understand. Though, if I allow myself to be honest here...what work will there be left for me to do once you take over Gamerverse image duty? Aside from expanding chronologies and adding/clarfiying references, adding images from the games is one of my major sources of work here on the wiki. From my history with cleaning and revamping chronologies, I lack enough confidence in myself to believe I can adjust the size and quality of my chronology contributions to match and be accepted by the requirements of this wiki, so for the foreseeable future I can't do chronology work every day. And I fear I'll get tired if I work on exclusively clarifying and adding references for too long periods of time. Plus I have no absolute way to upload images of decent quality from the light novels, anime, or manga that everyone will agree with. So if I no longer need to work on adding images from the video games, what work will I be able to do? Sorry if I sound a little whiny here, but I've contributed to this wiki for close to two years now. I'd rather not let all that time and effort be for nothing without a decent reason.

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    • Don't worry, you don't really sound "whiny", it is a legitimate concern, so let me try to explain this as clear as possible.

      It's not that I am taking the job from you. In fact, none of us actually have a "job" here, aside from Content Mods, who have to check through the submitted content. The community (us) are welcomed to expand on the content here on the wikia, as you'd probably know. But having a low amount of Content Mods, we have a huge bottleneck of Quality Control, so we, contributers, have to keep that in mind.

      Your quarrel with the Content Mods regarding written content is none of my business, so I can't expand upon that. As for the images however, as a member of the community, and an involved member of the Gameverse content, I also want to contribute the best quality content possible. I am not telling you to stop uploading pictures. I have no authority to do that, I am a member, just like you. However, I can't idly stand by, when somebody uploads low quality pictures, from Youtube playthroughs that go through 2 layers of processing, with files much larger than necessary. As a member, it's an area I can improve myself, which I will do. My request was mainly to prevent you from wasting your time uploading those pictures, while also saving me the hassle of replacing them one by one.

      > Plus I have no absolute way to upload images of decent quality from the light novels, anime, or manga that everyone will agree with.

      You see, that is essentially the key part of my argument here. You don't have the source material, so you have no way of uploading good quality images. Considering you are uploading 720p screenshots from Youtube playthroughs, I assume you do not have the source material for the games as well, which is why I the pictures you have serious signs of processing artifacts, whereas my direct rips from PS4 are the highest quality those images can be.

      If you can upload direct rips from the games, be my guest, upload them and save me the hassle of going through my archive. But if that is not possible, I'll do it myself. Not to "rid you of your job", but to provide the highest quality of content possible.

      If you don't see that to be a "decent reason", there is nothing I can do. However "Improving Quality of Pictures" and "Improving User Experience with more reasonable File Sizes" are objectively "decent enough" reasons for me to do this.

      And as a more general advice, Improving the Wikia is a voluntary hobby for most of us. I don't recommend seeing it as a "job". You don't need to feel the need to constantly add things every single day. From what I can see, that was the main reason of your "Chronology" issues. You saw it as a job and went too fast, which created too huge of a backlog for the limited Content Mods. Take it easy, not every day you need to make a change to something ;)

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  • Hi,

    thank you for tagging old images for deletion, I cleaned up some of them. Though I don't understand why you uploaded a version with a lower resoltion of this image three months ago when this image with a higher resolution already existed, and now mark it for deletion after uplaoding the exact same image again in low resolution? I removed your new image and uploaded a high-res version without the black borders. Don't use Youtube screenshots, they are not nearly as good as actual game screenshots. Because screenshots you take on your computer rely on your display settings, whereas CGs from the games themselvs are actually the full files in full detail, and not something scaled to fit your display.

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    • I'm afraid there's not much I can do about that. Not sure if I've stated this before, but I'm actually somewhat limited in accessibility to the various media forms of Sword Art Online aside from the light novels themselves. In this case, I don't actually have any of the games, so I have to rely on other sources on the web to find the CGs, which I've done for some time now. I'll continue to search for the best quality versions of the video game images available to me; if you and the others are able to upload better quality versions of the picutre I provide, feel free to replace them.

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  • It's nearly June so it's that time of the year when I have my summer exams at Uni. Throughout the month, I'll be busy studying for my exams. Getting distracted by large edits to review is the last thing I need right now, thus I kindly ask you to please refrain from making as many major edits as you regularly do until the end of June, as I won't have the time to review all of that stuff. Thank you for your understanding.

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    • So basically I should hold off on making Mizue's page for now? I can work with that. I've wanted to create the Oosawa articles for over a year now; I suppose I can afford to wait another month or two.

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    • I hope that you hold back on any summaries or other major changes for the next month, since I won't have time to review such edits that often. I don't event have the time to edit the article you created today, since I have an exam tomorrow.

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    • Don't worry, I plan on spacing my edits for at least the next week, perhaps resume work on adding images from the games (maybe one or two at a time though). I can afford to slow down my work for the time being.

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  • Please upload screenshots in standard resolutions. I assume you took your latest Ordinal Scale screenshots with a tablet or something, as you uploaded them in strange resolution. If that's the case, please use a PC or laptop to take a screenshot with a program like VLC. I'm not sure whether you were using Blu-rays for your screenshots, but the resolution of your images does give me the impression that your images might not be taken from quality footage.

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    • Sorry for the late reply. I'm currently on vacation for the week, so I currently don't really have time to spend on the wiki and can't help you with those screenshots at the moment.

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    • Don't worry, it's not an urgent request.

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  • Hey man! Really appreciate all the work you are putting into completing the Gameverse images! Though as a friendly suggestion, can you try streamlining your uploads/edits a little?

    For example, the last bunch of contributions seems to be on the theme "Bed Scenes", but the problem is, there are more than a dozen Bed Scenes with all different characters and if you go with a "Theme" categorization, it leads to more than a dozen edits concerning a single image on various different pages, which can be time consuming for those who are reviewing the content.

    Instead, if you categorize your uploads/edits based on "Characters" rather than "Themes", for example, uploading all Rain images in one go and putting all the necessary edits to a single bulk, would put much less workload overall onto those who review the content, since they will still be reviewing maybe more than a dozen Rain pictures, but they won't have to crawl through a dozen edits.

    Once again, thank you!

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    • I'm not sure about basing mass image uploads around characters. Some of those pictures include characters other than the main one the the image is focused, and if I hold back on adding those photos to image galleries other than the one I'm prioritzing until I can get around to the target gallery later on (e.g., if a picture of Kirito includes Asuna and I wait for a mass photo upload revolving around Asuna to include the Kirito image in there), I might forget. Sorry if I don't sound particularly clear or eloquent here.

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